Grover Norquist may not have a household name, but he has been called one of the most powerful men in Washington. Norquist is behind the famous conservative no tax pledge.
Tea Party loyalists came from all over the state to hear Norquist talk about the senate's new tax plan that would lower personal income taxes and corporate taxes, but spread out the sales tax on more services and things like food and medicine.
"We wanna tell our legislators to go ahead and go for it and let's dig in and get some real tax reform," said Wilmington resident Paige Freeman. "We want to have a fairer tax."
"To really make it a more fair system, where everyone pays their fair share," said tax plan supporter Elizabeth Dyar.
Critics of the tax plan say they could barely come up with a less fair tax plan if they tried.
"Taxing food and medicine -- truly is a sign that we've lost our moral compass," said Yevonne Brannon, of Wake Up Wake County.
"When you're talking about tax breaks on the wealthy in comparison to taxes going up for those in the lower levels, it just doesn't balance out," said tax plan opponent Althea Taylor-Jones.
ABC11 asked Norquist twice if an expanded sales tax is effectively a tax hike on poor people. Norquist reiterated that cutting taxes creates jobs.